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	<title>Comments on: Model Driven Hand-Waving</title>
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		<title>By: Jack Herrington</title>
		<link>http://blog.kischuk.com/2003/11/04/model-driven-hand-waving/#comment-250</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Herrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2003 22:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any way you go you are going to have to put a substantial amount of work into understanding and developing the generator to make it worth your while. I think the big advantage of MDA is that it&#039;s a pseudo-standard so that there should be some transportability of skills. That being said, the MDA standard is pretty soft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any way you go you are going to have to put a substantial amount of work into understanding and developing the generator to make it worth your while. I think the big advantage of MDA is that it&#8217;s a pseudo-standard so that there should be some transportability of skills. That being said, the MDA standard is pretty soft.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Kischuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Kischuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the insights, Jack.

If for no other reason, I may give AndroMDA a solid look just to present a cost-saving alternative if we decide we&#039;re just hell-bent on having such a tool.

I&#039;ll also try and give the idea more of a chance than I&#039;m willing to give CompuWare from here forward.  Problem is, you have them (whose solution I don&#039;t like at all), IBM/Rational (I&#039;ve found Rational&#039;s products to be far too restrictive/difficult to use in the past), and then the runners-up (although I&#039;ve heard a good bit about AndroMDA).  And it&#039;s always dicey going with a non-front-runner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the insights, Jack.</p>
<p>If for no other reason, I may give AndroMDA a solid look just to present a cost-saving alternative if we decide we&#8217;re just hell-bent on having such a tool.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also try and give the idea more of a chance than I&#8217;m willing to give CompuWare from here forward.  Problem is, you have them (whose solution I don&#8217;t like at all), IBM/Rational (I&#8217;ve found Rational&#8217;s products to be far too restrictive/difficult to use in the past), and then the runners-up (although I&#8217;ve heard a good bit about AndroMDA).  And it&#8217;s always dicey going with a non-front-runner.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Herrington</title>
		<link>http://blog.kischuk.com/2003/11/04/model-driven-hand-waving/#comment-248</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Herrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 16:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a lot of handwaving around MDA, and that is the regrettable side effect of working in an area where there are benefits and there are no clear winners at the moment.

If you look at the MDA standard what they are trying to do is pretty simple. They are defining a standard for representing the object model of the application, which can be restricted to the persistence model for a more pragmatic approach.

They are also defining that there should be two models, a platform specific one and a platform independent one. The platform specific one should be built from the independent one by a mechanism that understands the territory. So if you don&#039;t want EJBs, you want POJOs, then change the translator to build POJOs. A good system should make that easy.

I think your BS-ometer is on and functioning. I just think you need to look beyond particular vendors. There is value in building the grunt code with a generator. The trick is in building or buying a good generator. You might want to look at other projects, like AndroMDA, which is an open-source MDA implementation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of handwaving around MDA, and that is the regrettable side effect of working in an area where there are benefits and there are no clear winners at the moment.</p>
<p>If you look at the MDA standard what they are trying to do is pretty simple. They are defining a standard for representing the object model of the application, which can be restricted to the persistence model for a more pragmatic approach.</p>
<p>They are also defining that there should be two models, a platform specific one and a platform independent one. The platform specific one should be built from the independent one by a mechanism that understands the territory. So if you don&#8217;t want EJBs, you want POJOs, then change the translator to build POJOs. A good system should make that easy.</p>
<p>I think your BS-ometer is on and functioning. I just think you need to look beyond particular vendors. There is value in building the grunt code with a generator. The trick is in building or buying a good generator. You might want to look at other projects, like AndroMDA, which is an open-source MDA implementation.</p>
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