Comments on: JDJ Readers are clearly out of touch http://blog.kischuk.com/2004/02/27/jdj-readers-are-clearly-out-of-touch/ Just another WordPress.com weblog Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:51:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: swengineer http://blog.kischuk.com/2004/02/27/jdj-readers-are-clearly-out-of-touch/#comment-221 Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:35:34 +0000 http://rkischuk.wordpress.com/2004/02/27/jdj-readers-are-clearly-out-of-touch/#comment-221 I strongly suspect anyone who claims BEA is the best hasn’t used it much. I’ve used it since 2001 and neither the product nor the support are production quality. From stuck threads on database connection hangs leading to denial of service to enormous session loads when using their portlet support, one can assert it is not the best production quality. From Workshop which is the worst performing tool I’ve used in 15 years and takes me back to VAX days in perforance and which is not even on par with Eclipse or VC++ in features for that matter. Ever have a problem with WebLogic? I’ve had several across two large projects. BEA never helped solve the problems. On the latest, we even had three BEA consultants working on site full-time!

Not only are JDJ readers clearly out of touch with real SW dev, many other bloggers on this thread are as well.

Good software requires good developers. The UNIX design requirement of KISS allows good developers to write good software. Bloatware and layers of spaghetti require enormous effort to produce a reliable product. This is why the WebLogic projects cost in the 10′s of millions. From what I understand, the same story for WebSphere.

BEA is a middle of the road company with a middle of the road product. They may improve but with the Spring Framework and other better design architecture, they probably are history. Certainly they are history for any project I architect.

]]> By: Rob http://blog.kischuk.com/2004/02/27/jdj-readers-are-clearly-out-of-touch/#comment-220 Sat, 28 Feb 2004 13:42:15 +0000 http://rkischuk.wordpress.com/2004/02/27/jdj-readers-are-clearly-out-of-touch/#comment-220 Here are some comments I made in an email about the sys-con xml journal awards in 2002:

“I circumvented the awards’ implicit vendor advertising objectives by nominating jEdit and several other open source efforts late in the nominations period. …

Unfortunately I feel that for *some* categories there is lower correlation between award winners and the overall importance of their technologies/products/sites. The lack of category definitions meant some category titles were ambiguous. Only vendors were [explicity] invited to nominate their products, I was cheeky and got in some nominations for the open source side.
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All that was required to submit a vote was a valid email address. … A large company could just ask all their staff/customers to vote to jump up the rankings. Smaller vendors interested in boosting their placings could have got their marketing departments to spend a morning registering emails and submitting votes.”

]]> By: Rob Kischuk http://blog.kischuk.com/2004/02/27/jdj-readers-are-clearly-out-of-touch/#comment-219 Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:47:30 +0000 http://rkischuk.wordpress.com/2004/02/27/jdj-readers-are-clearly-out-of-touch/#comment-219 It is a fair question, and one I asked myself when forming my opinion – what am I basing my perceptions of popularity on? Were it purely based on the blog community, I would certainly esteem JRuby, Hibernate, Spring, Groovy, etc. as the be-all-end-all solutions for Java projects. Of that list, all I really use is Hibernate, and I find it flawed but useful, and better than many of its bretheren.

My sources include the Atlanta Java Users’ Group, the content and attendees at Java-related conferences, skills required in job listings (although by this criteria alone, ATG Dynamo would be a top choice), and discussions with my peers, people I know in the area who work in Java.

While not a perfect slice of the 3 million Java developers out there, it blends people from a variety of sources, and I think should at least give an indication of the mega-trends in the industry, though perhaps not the nuances.

]]> By: Bo http://blog.kischuk.com/2004/02/27/jdj-readers-are-clearly-out-of-touch/#comment-218 Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:02:28 +0000 http://rkischuk.wordpress.com/2004/02/27/jdj-readers-are-clearly-out-of-touch/#comment-218 Kevin is pretty much right on. In the corporate world, most of the products you hear people “rave” (ie blog) about are almost non-starters. Hibernate, Axis, etc. Eclipse is making headway because it’s an IBM thing. Meanwhile, Weblogic is still the app-server du jour (a standing I agree with. BEA has outstanding docs and support. And if you have dumb coders, Workshop can minimize the damage they do). As for Fiorano, I’ve heard of them once or twice. They are not a player as far as I know. I’m thinking they flooded the ballots.

]]> By: greg http://blog.kischuk.com/2004/02/27/jdj-readers-are-clearly-out-of-touch/#comment-217 Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:49:51 +0000 http://rkischuk.wordpress.com/2004/02/27/jdj-readers-are-clearly-out-of-touch/#comment-217 It’s possible that the “pulse of the Java community”, by which I assume you mean “people who blog about java”, does not reflect the reality of all 3 million java developers out there. The blogging crowd is very open-source-centric and even within that group of projects they tend to have their favorites.

That being said, I agree with most of your conclusions :)

]]> By: Kevin Dangoor http://blog.kischuk.com/2004/02/27/jdj-readers-are-clearly-out-of-touch/#comment-216 Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:49:03 +0000 http://rkischuk.wordpress.com/2004/02/27/jdj-readers-are-clearly-out-of-touch/#comment-216 There are times when it seems like the blogs on JavaBlogs is a somewhat insular world. Perhaps there are people out there (somewhere) gushing about how Fiorano saved their careers.

I certainly find it hard to believe that Hibernate is not included in the persistence category. OFBiz does have an “Entity Engine” persistence package, so it is not an unreasonable package to have listed. (JIRA uses OFBiz for persistence, for example.)

Kevin

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