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		<title>By: atlantageek &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Outsource the Scaffolding</title>
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		<dc:creator>atlantageek &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Outsource the Scaffolding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Outsourcing the scaffolding is an article from a fellow Atlantian discussing how best to oursource code. His thesis is that you should only outsource the the initial version or core product. Once you get into the details where the problem is nolonger simple you need to bring it in house. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Outsourcing the scaffolding is an article from a fellow Atlantian discussing how best to oursource code. His thesis is that you should only outsource the the initial version or core product. Once you get into the details where the problem is nolonger simple you need to bring it in house. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Recent Links Tagged With "startups" - JabberTags</title>
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		<description>[...] &gt;&gt; startups   Blogging and Social Media: 26+ New Startups Saved by fnmunhoz on Sun 28-9-2008   Outsource the Scaffolding Saved by webnova on Sat 27-9-2008   MyWebERA.com showcasing User Generated Creations to Share ... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &gt;&gt; startups   Blogging and Social Media: 26+ New Startups Saved by fnmunhoz on Sun 28-9-2008   Outsource the Scaffolding Saved by webnova on Sat 27-9-2008   MyWebERA.com showcasing User Generated Creations to Share &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rkischuk</title>
		<link>http://blog.kischuk.com/2008/08/11/outsource-the-scaffolding/#comment-866</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darius, great point.  I wanted to reference your post because I have seen a number of companies here with great ideas, sales, marketing, etc., and no idea how to get it built.  For reasons I hope to explore further, I&#039;ve seen several well-funded Atlanta startups go this route, and see several more struggling on the brink as they just can&#039;t seem to nail down a technical co-founder and don&#039;t have the cash to fine employee #1.  As you point out, an agency makes a terrible substitute for employee #1.

Mike - thanks for highlighting the distinction.  As you point out, paying full retail for an agency (or consulting shop, IMHO) to build your startup can be a killer.  A startup with a competent technical founder and a simple enough app can get away with outsourcing overseas (or locally), though I still think that when complexity enters the picture, it&#039;s time to bring that knowledge in-house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darius, great point.  I wanted to reference your post because I have seen a number of companies here with great ideas, sales, marketing, etc., and no idea how to get it built.  For reasons I hope to explore further, I&#8217;ve seen several well-funded Atlanta startups go this route, and see several more struggling on the brink as they just can&#8217;t seem to nail down a technical co-founder and don&#8217;t have the cash to fine employee #1.  As you point out, an agency makes a terrible substitute for employee #1.</p>
<p>Mike &#8211; thanks for highlighting the distinction.  As you point out, paying full retail for an agency (or consulting shop, IMHO) to build your startup can be a killer.  A startup with a competent technical founder and a simple enough app can get away with outsourcing overseas (or locally), though I still think that when complexity enters the picture, it&#8217;s time to bring that knowledge in-house.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Schinkel</title>
		<link>http://blog.kischuk.com/2008/08/11/outsource-the-scaffolding/#comment-865</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Schinkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob: Good thoughts. 

I do want to point out that what you are suggesting is more outsourcing implementation vs. hiring an agency as I&#039;m sure you well know but all your readers might not. The former still requires you to manage your development whereas the latter is a total hands off &quot;build it for me so I don&#039;t have to think about it.&quot;  

Companies you&#039;d outsource to are often from India, Pakistan, Thailand and many other countries in the East whereas agencies are companies like ( here in Atlanta) Response Mine, 360i, Search Discovery, Moxie, and Neboweb. Those agencies provide great services for companies like Home Depot, Coke, Delta, UPS, etc. etc. but would be absolutely the wrong ones to build a startup; too expensive and not agile enough. 

Again, I know you know this but your readers might not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob: Good thoughts. </p>
<p>I do want to point out that what you are suggesting is more outsourcing implementation vs. hiring an agency as I&#8217;m sure you well know but all your readers might not. The former still requires you to manage your development whereas the latter is a total hands off &#8220;build it for me so I don&#8217;t have to think about it.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Companies you&#8217;d outsource to are often from India, Pakistan, Thailand and many other countries in the East whereas agencies are companies like ( here in Atlanta) Response Mine, 360i, Search Discovery, Moxie, and Neboweb. Those agencies provide great services for companies like Home Depot, Coke, Delta, UPS, etc. etc. but would be absolutely the wrong ones to build a startup; too expensive and not agile enough. </p>
<p>Again, I know you know this but your readers might not.</p>
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		<title>By: Darius A Monsef IV</title>
		<link>http://blog.kischuk.com/2008/08/11/outsource-the-scaffolding/#comment-864</link>
		<dc:creator>Darius A Monsef IV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob,

To use Digg as an example, you need to take into account that both the founders had a VERY heavy tech background.  They were able to throw a lot of exposure at digg early on because of their positions in the tech world.  Also key, is that if push really came to shove... they probably could have hacked something together themselves.

My main caution about agencies, was to the entrepreneurs who think they don&#039;t have to know anything about the tech because they can hire an agency to build them a complete site... most good start-ups are never complete.  As you mention, Digg outsourced the first version to get something online... and then began tweaking, improving etc.

Thanks for continuing the conversation.

-Darius</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,</p>
<p>To use Digg as an example, you need to take into account that both the founders had a VERY heavy tech background.  They were able to throw a lot of exposure at digg early on because of their positions in the tech world.  Also key, is that if push really came to shove&#8230; they probably could have hacked something together themselves.</p>
<p>My main caution about agencies, was to the entrepreneurs who think they don&#8217;t have to know anything about the tech because they can hire an agency to build them a complete site&#8230; most good start-ups are never complete.  As you mention, Digg outsourced the first version to get something online&#8230; and then began tweaking, improving etc.</p>
<p>Thanks for continuing the conversation.</p>
<p>-Darius</p>
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